User talk:Lachlan

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• I agree the previous and next links do need consideration. I feel they are a good tool for anyone that wants to do Caidan history research and they have been a tremendous aid to my data entry work. You probably noticed that I just spent a lot of time linking the crown tournament pages. I search for every page with Crown or Coronet in the title in order to make sure that I have included all the crown tournament pages that currently exist. I agree that right now if anyone adds a new crown tournament page they may not link then in.
  

I figured that by doing this I have now made it my responsibility to make sure any new crown tournament pages are linked.

• Regarding this, the problem I had is that there are a number of different variations in the crown tournament page names. I believe that some standardization for annual events page names is in order. At this time I check to see what other people have done and try to follow the naming standards already set, but when I find that there are already four variations posted all I can do is pick one. (I have the same problem with Queen's Champion Equestrian.)
• Another thing I have been doing for annual Dreiburgen events is creating hub pages. See Dreiburgen Anniversary as an example, I have already received much praise from my baronial Seneschal and a couple of up coming autocrats for these pages. I was thinking of taking on the responsibility using the Crown Tournament page for the same purpose. What do you think?
  

Malcolm 10:54 pm 23 February 2010 (PST)

• I think that making stub pages and there by establishing a page name standard, would be less work then tracking down all the varied names that people would give them on their own.
  • One thing I realized in the Dreiburgen Category is that I had to give page naming careful consideration. If I did not most of the pages in the category index would be in the D’s because their names would have started with Dreiburgen and that would be a real headache for anyone (including myself) looking for a page from within the category.
  • I’m glade you like the hub pages. I was thinking that it would be nice to have many of the generic definition pages like the Crown Tournament page go on to list related pages like all the Crown Tournaments. Helping make this a full inter connected encyclopedia of Caid.
    

Malcolm 9:24 pm 24 February 2010 (PST)

• First I have responded on User talk:Avenel under "Winter/Spring/Summer/Winter".
• Second I’m still teaching myself how Wiki works and have been doing most things with the pages after I have seen examples and precedence from other contributors. So what you said sounds good but I probably do not fully understand it.

Malcolm 11:39 pm 26 February 2010 (PST)

Scribe Page Question

Hey Lachlan! I want to make a new page that will list all the scrolls by recipent (just a list without the thumbnails) and also link the same information on the page of each recipient. So there will be one master list one could go to to see if a scroll had been done. And one could also see the scrolls done for a person on their own page. Can you tell me how to make a new page for the master list and what would be good formating for it? Thanks! Aliskye 13:43, 3 November 2009 (PST)

To make a new page, put the title you plan to use ("Scrolls by Recipient"?) into the search box and hit "Search". You'll get a page telling you no page was found with that title, and a link to create a the page. Click the link to get a standard edit box and start filling...

Format? How about:

• Aliskye MacKyven Raizel

Award of Arms scroll by Alexandre le Bonhomme

Crescent scroll by Alexandre le Bonhomme

• Lachlan of Cromarty

Award of Arms scroll by Zenobia Naphtali

Dolphin scroll by Zenobia Naphtali‎

Which comes from the code:

*[[Aliskye MacKyven Raizel]]
:[[:Image:AlexandreLeBonhomme3.JPG|Award of Arms scroll]] by [[Alexandre le Bonhomme]]
:[[:Image:AlexandreLeBonhomme3.JPG|Crescent scroll]] by [[Alexandre le Bonhomme]]
*[[Lachlan of Cromarty]]
:[[:Image:Zenobia55.jpg|Award of Arms scroll]] by [[Zenobia Naphtali]]
:[[:Image:Zenobia55.jpg|Dolphin scroll]] by [[Zenobia Naphtali]]‎ ‎‎

Leading a line with ":" produces an "unordered" list without any bullet (as opposed to the more familiar "*" prefix, which gives you a bulleted list)--Lachlan 21:42, 3 November 2009 (PST)

Thanks Lachlan! I think that works perfectly. Oh boy! More work to do :) Aliskye 22:59, 3 November 2009 (PST)

New Question

Hey Lachlan! How do I make a new category? I.E. A category for a scroll type that hasn't been used before? Also, on the Category: Scrolls page, it starts with an alphabetic listing of categories, but not the Knight and Laurel entries (or anything past H in the alphabet). What's up with that?  :) Aliskye 12:12, 19 November 2009 (PST)

• Adding a new category tag in any page automatically makes a new category with that name. A subcategory is created by placing a tag to the root category within the subcategory listing page. That's been done with Category:Laurel Scrolls and Category:Knight Scrolls, but I don't know why they are not listed as subcategories of Category:Scrolls. I did a bunch of minor edits trying to get it to work. I created a new subcategory, Category:Leaf of Merit Scrolls, but it was not listed. I could remove Category:Harp Argent Scrolls as a subcategory of Scrolls, but it still didn't list any additional subcategories. A conumdrum.--Lachlan 14:09, 19 November 2009 (PST)

• • The other categories are there, you just have to page through all the scroll pages to find them. I don't get it. Aliskye 15:43, 19 November 2009 (PST)
  • So the category listing is alphabetizing all images under "I" for "Image:". That's inconvenient. It is possible to change a page's "sort key", the word or words the page will be alphabetized under. I've used this in the Populace category (An even bigger problem than the Scrolls category...) to make names like "Æduin of Skye" alphabetize it under "A" as if it were "AEduin of Skye", rather than placing it way at the end under "Æ". We could force all categories to alphabetize under "+[Name]", which would put them all in the front, alphabetized, but not under "A", "B", etc. Alternatives include not placing any of the images within the Scrolls root category (more the way categories/subcategories are designed to work) or change their sort key to be listed under, say, "~", which would place them all after "Z". Either would involve editing every image. (Sounds horrible, but pales in comparisson to editing every Populace page!) Let me give it a litte more thought.--Lachlan 16:00, 19 November 2009 (PST)
  • It must be a bug in the "Magic Gallery" code. It should place all Media links below all Category and Pages links, but it seems to get wonkey when there are too many Media files. Yesterday, we changed the category page limit to 500, which helps a bit. At least it's only the third page where you find the rest of the subcategories. I do suspect that the best thing to do will be to remove [[Category:Scrolls]] from all the media pages. Then, when the user goes to "Category:Scrolls", they will only see a list of subcategories (and the two pages in the root category), and have to go to a subcategory to see the gallery. But it's up to you, of course.--Lachlan 11:20, 20 November 2009 (PST)

• • Well, that sounds like a pain in the butt. But I'd rather do that now and have the subcategories list properly. Thanks for looking in to it! P.S. Does this mean you can't see all the scrolls at once, only by subcategory? Aliskye 12:18, 20 November 2009 (PST)
  • Yes. Exactly.--Lachlan 14:40, 20 November 2009 (PST)
  • Okay....so can we make a new subcategory that's Category - All scrolls so one still has the option of seeing the entire gallery at once? Aliskye 14:46, 20 November 2009 (PST)
  • Yeah. Sure. That should work. Then at least you won't be putting subcategories and media gallery on the same listing page. I guess change [[Category:Scrolls]] to [[Category:All Scrolls]]--Lachlan 15:24, 20 November 2009 (PST)
  • Thanks Lachlan! I'm glad to know that I still have a wiki job when I finish uploading the photo album images.  :) Aliskye 15:32, 20 November 2009 (PST)
  • I'll gladly help you. We can work from the ends toward the middle or something. Just let me know when you want to undertake the project.--Lachlan 15:37, 20 November 2009 (PST)
  • I'd love your help, but it looks like you're a little busy with this populace stuff right now.  :) I was thinking of asking for help on the Scribes list. I'm going to start from the back though. I have about a page and a half of photo album images to do. Aliskye 22:46, 20 November 2009 (PST)

Editor

Lachlan, I would be honored. I like helping, so that would not be a problem. You could put me down for areas like General, Barony of the Angels, Early Caid. Not claiming to be the ultimate expert on any of the three, you understand. :) --James the Inconstant 22:58, 16 November 2009 (PST)

AltaviaEvents

I'm not entirely certain it is necessary to have a AltaviaEvents category. Why not just categorize them under Altavia and Events?--Lachlan 22:40, 21 November 2009 (PST)

I created it so we could have a self-maintaining page of Altavia events instead of having to create a table that folks have to remember to update. Granted they have to remember to put AltaviaEvents on as a category, but it's more likely that they'll use previous events as a sample and so include the category than that they'll remember to update the table.--Lynnette 09:41, 22 November 2009 (PST)

I've not gotten the hang of these discussions .... I put this on my talk page, but I'm not sure you saw it ... so I'm putting it here now also ... HELP! How do I respond to User talk comments?--Lynnette 23:02, 23 November 2009 (PST)

Test Area

I use this section to work on wording for new articles as needed. Anything herein should be considered "unofficial", at best.

Whenever possible, populace articles should use the person's name as it is registered with the College of Arms of the Society. Unfortunately, many registered names use accented characters and a few non-Latin characters. When a name contains these characters, its article may be alphabetized by the Wiki some distance from where users will likely look for it. This is particularly true if the special character is the first or second character in the name. For example, the name "Þorfastr Varinsson" will be placed after names which start with "Z" and "Róis ni Brian" will be placed after "Ryuusaki Raiden".

Sort Key

A sort key specifies where the page will appear in the category list, and under which letter heading. (By default, the page is sorted under the first letter of its full name including its namespace.) You can add a sort key to a page by adding it inside the Category tag. For example, adding the tag "[[Category:Populace|Thorfastr Varinsson]]" to the article "Þorfastr Varinsson" would place the article in the Populace category with the "T" names, as expected by users. The altered sort key is not visible to users, however. Only the registered spelling will appear in the category listing, article heading, etc.

Compendium Caidis Sorting

character	becomes
Þ, þ	Th, th
Ó, ó	O, o

Thank You!

Lachlan, Thank you for all the time and effort you have put into the wiki office, and your willingness to step up as administrator when you were needed. Thank you for staying on as an editor. It is very much appreciated! --Kolfinna 10:53, 7 August 2009 (PDT)

Dreiburgen Category

Thanks for the clarification. Appropriate chances have been made. --Malcolm Alberic 13:31, 21 December 2009 (PST)

Duplicate Pages

• Deirdre McCarthaigh
• Deirdre MxCarthaigh

Neither are registered through the OandA but both are listed in the Order of Precedence. Awards are only listed for the first spelling. Should Deirdre MxCarthaigh be redirected to the Deirdre McCarthaigh or are both pages valid? --Valdis 00:48, 9 February 2010 (PST)

• I'm sure they are the same person. Make the "Mx..." spelling a redirect to the "Mc..." spelling.--Lachlan 10:51, 9 February 2010 (PST)
• Will do, Thanks Lachlan! --Valdis 21:55, 10 February 2010 (PST)

Populace Pages

• Finished D. I noticed that you finished F so shall I do E next or C? --Valdis 23:49, 10 February 2010 (PST)
• Finished C. Where to next? --Valdis 03:56, 16 February 2010 (PST) Heading on to B --Valdis 17:54, 16 February 2010 (PST)
• Finished B. --Valdis 19:58, 16 February 2010 (PST)
  • Hehe. I guess y'all are doing fine. Sorry that I've gotten caught up in Olympics, so have not been around much last weekend.--Lachlan 10:29, 17 February 2010 (PST)
• Finished E. LOL sounds like me Lachlan, I've been watching the Olympics too! You can delete my notes here anytime you want, I just wanted to make sure you knew which letters I had finished up so you wouldn't have to bother checking pages. I'll start on A next though that one might take a few days (lots of A names in Caid lol). You've put in so much time and work on the Wiki, I think some time off is long overdue! ;) --Valdis 18:20, 18 February 2010 (PST)

Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter

So, for events that occur more than once a year, and have a Spring/Summer/Fall/Winter designation, should the seasonal degination come before or after the event title? For example both Spring Crown 2008 and Queen's Champion Archery Winter 2010 are used. --Avenel 20:54, 25 February 2010 (PST)

Events

• Are events supposed to be added to the category for the hosting territory, and if so, should we add that to the event template?--Avenel 09:21, 5 March 2010 (PST)